Do you long for days when ........

[weaverlock]

When the sleeper hold and piledriver meant something. Back in the day you rarely saw an opponent recover from these holds. Even Becker's abdominal stretch would cause an opponent to give-up!!!

BTW, I can't remember the finishing holds for Mr. Wrestling, Nelson Royal, the Scott Brothers. Can anyone tell me? Some of these guys used more than one.

I'd like to see someone start a list by wrestler. If you can't tell I was a real mark for the babyfaces.

Thanks.

[RowdyRoddy]

Yes, I agree. A piledriver (especially a spike piledriver), a cobra clutch, a claw, an abdominal stretch, or a sleeper hold was curtains for an opponent back in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s

[bobbyryates]

i just long for the days i could turn on the tv and see wrestling instead of sit on a computer talking about it all the time typing.

[barry]

I don't if it was a finish or not but Nelson Royal used the atomic drop a lot in the early days.
The Scott brothers did lightling quick drop kicks thus "The Flying Scotts"
I'm thinking Mr Wrestling used the sleeper a lot as a finish.

Plus.........I have a little brain fade.

[cwh47]

Yes I miss those days more than I can say.Here is some of the
finishing holds used by these wrestlers in the sixties and early
seventies.
The Kentuckians-bearhug and stumpuller (upside down bearhug.
the opponent would be sort of in the piledriver position).
George Scott- sleeper
Sandy Scott- abdominal stretch
Nelson Royal- atomic drop
Tex McKenzie- bulldog headlock
Paul Jones- airplane spin and later the indian deathlock
Mr.Wrestling- standing cradle (he was the only one I saw do this
in this era.It was a version of the cradle while he was also
standing on his head.George South did it during a match in
Statesville awhile back).I also saw Tim Woods use the sleeper
during this time period.
Abe Jacobs-kiwi roll and probably the best dropkick I ever saw.
Mike Clancy- atomic drop
Sailor Art Thomas- bearhug and headbutt
Haystacks Calhoun-the big splash ( also used by George "Two
Ton" Harris and Luther Lindsay)

Mike Gallagher- the blinder (thumbs pressing to the opponents
temples.

Bulldog Lee Henning-foreign object in the waistband of his trunks.
He would tell the referee he had an iron stomach which he would
crash his opponents head in to.He would usually start the match with the object in his mouth so the ref wouldn't find it while
checking him prior to the start of the match.This always drew
a lot of heat from fans.

The Alaskan-in 1964-65 JCP,Jay York did a one arm backbreaker
which was a submission hold.He would hold his opponent on his
knee while pressing on their chest with his right forearm until
they gave up.

The Beast- bearhug

Big Bob Orton- piledriver (wrestled in JCP from June,1965 to
January 1966.

Rip Hawk and Swede Hanson- neckbreaker ( after Bob Orton
left JCP,Rip Hawk began using the piledriver).

Aldo Bogni and Bronco Lubich- cobra hold ( later used "the
Crusher".This was a knuckle grind to the temple area.John
and Chris Tolos used this in JCP from 1963-65 and called it
"the corkscrew").

PY Chung and Haru Sasaki - stomach claw and of course the
salt to the eyes.

Skull Murphy and Brute Bernard-Skull used the headbutt and
Brute would leap from the top rope with his knee to the
abdomen of his prone opponent.

The Infernos- the loaded boot.

The Bolos- the loaded mask for the headbutt

[bobbyryates]

...and how many of those moves or holds are used today??? or the past ten years?? 20 years??

[RowdyRoddy]

I loved the loaded mask with the headbutt back in the day

[thegreatbolo]

Don't forget the Andersons' (Lars and Gene as well as Gene and Ole) dropping their opponent's stomach onto both of their knees.

[dogthuhoops2k]

Aldo Bogni and Bronco Lubich- cobra hold

cool. history lesson here. The first person I saw use the cobra was Masked Superstar. I just always thought he invented it. I didnt know someone used it before him.

Thanks.

[precious1]

If you notice a lot of the old moves have new names. I mean the Undertakers finisher the tomb stone is just a pile driver with a new name.

But here is my wish I long for the days when you never seen or even heard of Vince McMan Jr.

[sittingstill]

Actually, iirc the phrases 'tombstone' or 'tombstone piledriver' referring to a reverse, knees first piledriver predates the Undertaker. I think he was given the move as a finisher because of its name, not the other way round.

The only thing I don't like from that list is Nelson Royal using an atomic drop. I've never liked that move in any context (just too stupid and hoakey), and I can't really buy it for anything other than a comedy spot, so I heinously disagree with anyone using it a finisher. Finishers in my mind should be moves that, either in terms of psychology or physicality, have a kind of dominance to the point where it always puts the recipient in jeopardy - where you can believe that anyone recieving that move could lead to a believable finish (there are very few justifiable cases where you wouldn't want to do this). I just can't buy the atomic drop in that context. An inverted atomic drop I can buy, not necessarily as a finisher, but certainly as a painful and dehabilitating offensive move....

[GarvinStomp]

I agree with Sittingstill

[precious1]

Well now don't forget that Goldberg used the same finisher as Nikita. I mean there was very little difference between the sickle and the spear. Jeff Jarrett used the figure four leg lock not to mention he took a lot of his style from Honky tonk man. Big Show used the choke slam which was also a signature move of Andre. The finishers have pretty much remained the same just dressed up here and there. Even the high fliers finishers can be likened back to wrestlers like Jimmy Snuka.

[rlb147]

BECKER = ABDOMINO STRECH
WEAVER = SLEEPER
KLONDIKE BILL = BEARHUG
ABE JACOBS = KIWI ROLL

[bobbyryates]

precious1 said:

Well now don't forget that Goldberg used the same finisher as Nikita. I mean there was very little difference between the sickle and the spear.

i need you to explain this one to me...the "sickle" was a clothesline. the "spear" was thrusting your shoulder into a guys gut. two different things.
anyway, what you said is correct about recycling moves with different names. just your examples, i don't see as the same.