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Post by nwafan1984 on May 2, 2006 13:34:30 GMT -5
ECW was like JCP on steriods.
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Post by precious1 on May 18, 2006 19:53:24 GMT -5
Sex sells and as long as it does Vince will continue to drag wrestling down into the mire. Sometimes I wonder if he hates wrestling so much that he is working to destroy it. I would love to see old school wrestling make its comeback. As it stands now wrestling is more about divas and who is screwing who (both literal and figurative).
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Post by wildbill2006 on May 23, 2006 15:19:39 GMT -5
It can survive, but only if it were to be offered in the old style. It needs to have the focus on athletic competition with an attitude. then and only then can we suspend disbelief enough for it to take off. Just my opinion though.
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Post by precious1 on May 23, 2006 15:28:12 GMT -5
Wrestling needs more creative writers. I mean it doesn't take much imagination to create a rift between two men when you put a woman in between them. The writers have gotten lazy I remember when the Anderson's were a huge force to reckon with. Don't remember there needing to be a woman there to keep the feuds a coming. I do however like the fact that you are seeing more serious matches between the ladies but I could do without the bra and panties matches.
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Post by slickric1976 on May 23, 2006 20:10:43 GMT -5
The WWE is about $$$$$$. If we all help each other out and go to the indy. shows then old school will come back. Just a what if. If CWA , Carolina Classic Wrestling , APW , CPW , SCW , EWA were to work together and start a story line keep it going from town to town and let the story grow that would be cool. Put it on tape. Use the new guys like Bobby Houston , Ric Converse , Jack Manning , Jesse Ortega , George South Jr. , Brad Thomas , Jason Jones , The Guerrero's then put a few legends in like South Sr. , Morton , Armstrong , MNE , Jay Eagle , Piper , Snuka , Sullivan , Superstar , Kamala , Blanchard , Warlord , Prichard , The Hammer and I left out alot more I know but you get the idea. This could start the old school wrestling back up. Let each owner keep their area and work it but they help each other with workers and stories. APW has the up state of SC , CCW has Columbia SC , SCW has the beach at SC , CWA has NC so does CPW and you could even put EWA in for NC. Come on lets try to work together and help each other and keep what we love alive for our kids to go see one day. Also each group has some great workers that can be used for the home shows. Bry what do you think? Could all the egos go aside and work for a common goal to get back to old school wrestling?
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Post by bobbyryates on May 23, 2006 20:30:04 GMT -5
well, to be honest, you are talking about some of the same ideas i have discussed with some folks before about working together and such. and i have heard that from a few folks in the business. funny thing is that when you give them a chance to work with you (or you work with them) they screw ya. that totally kills the idea of working together then, and later on.
i'm not talking egos here either, i'm talking professional conduct (or the lack of it). not saying everyone is like that, just saying that i have experienced it.
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Post by sittingstill on May 23, 2006 22:12:51 GMT -5
Yeah - at the end of the day most people run shows because they wanna be a manager or whatever, instead of keeping what is good alive, which is why they are just local indies. 99% of indie shows that I see / read about just do things totally the wrong way - major fundamental problems in booking and presentation, including even being out of touch with who their market is or should be....
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Post by stingmark on May 24, 2006 1:37:16 GMT -5
can pro wrestling survive the wwe? Wrestling as it is now? not a friggin chance in hell. Sad, they can't "reinvent" themselves again, It's so screwed up right now, I doubt they'll ever bring it back from the dumper. ECW was like JCP on steriods. Um...NO! ECW was/is and always will be: Garbage Wrestling!!! MANY of the stars of the company, aren't even able to walk anymore, let alone get work. Beating up your body w/household/kitchen appliances to get pops from fans, isn't "Wrestling", it's GARBAGE!!! |
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Post by kwangman39 on May 28, 2006 16:24:34 GMT -5
can pro wrestling survive the wwe? ECW was/is and always will be: Garbage Wrestling!!! Tell that to Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Jericho, Lance Storm, Rob Van Dam, Jerry Lynn, Taz, etc. True ECW raised the bar of stupidity, but they were always entertaining and had something to offer every kind of pro wrestling fan. From the stupidity of the Sandman, to the high flying of RVD, to the technical expertise of Benoit. Their characters were often hilarious. They also built good, believable, and lengthy storylines. ECW was always entertaining. |
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Post by superworker on May 29, 2006 4:47:47 GMT -5
I think it could work BUT whoever is in charge must have TV and very deep pockets and willing to take a loss for a minimum of two years before they see a return on their money. You need an HONEST old school booker or wrestler to get the idea across and completely forget about ever hearing the word Vince McMahon...IMO. I just cant see Johnny Valentine and Wahoo doing a table , ladders , and Chairs match to get themselves over.
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Post by bobbyryates on May 29, 2006 9:42:06 GMT -5
BLASPHEMY you spoke..them in a TLC match....don't give them any ideas. vince might try to ressurct the dead to have that match.
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Post by sittingstill on May 29, 2006 10:22:29 GMT -5
I think ECW is somewhat the ultimate dichotomy, in terms of wrestling - they produced some of the worst and best wrestling ever. On one side Heyman proliferated a bunch of good wrestlers and different styles, both in the ring and in terms of booking, and made those wrestlers viable on the international market (Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero, Jericho, Lance Storm etc only went on to WCW because Heyman had presented them and the styles they could work in as being a viable type of wrestling, something which the big companies simply would never get). On the other hand - he proliferated the FMW-style stiff bumps, tables, chair, foreign objects type deal and took it to an extreme (pardon the pun). This has been VERY INFLUENTIAL, and has made wrestling and how bumps are taken etc change across the board. This is responsible for widespread shortening of careers and increased drug usage. Heyman used this style to get generic worthless indie talent over as his big stars: Sandman, Dreamer, Tazz - all absolutely useless in the ring, but the way they were presented in story by Heyman, and giving and taking the big sick bumps, and stiff cane/chair shots in matches, made them seem like something....
And I would agree with SUPERWORKER in that if someone who was creative and knew what they were doing could get bankrolled by someone who would support it for many years, and enabling good production and to buy talent, and if necessary at first: TV time, then it probably is possible.
TNA had the bankrolling (they have survived four years of massive losses, and the product has improved greatly), and they are seemingly in a good position in terms of talent and having national tv - the problem is they just don't have the balls to take the booking chances that need to be taken, so they just do WWE-lite, as well as continuing to involve Jarrett as the top wrestler, in the HHH role of their WWE-lite fantasy which is completely ridiculous (at least HHH is HHH). So whilst TNA has good solid ring work and good solid PPV, its just NOT gonna get any bigger unless they change - plus the TV coming from that same venue every week with the six-sided ring looks like American gladiators or something to the mainstream viewer....
If I found a money mark who would bankroll me millions of $$$$ to start a wrestling company, I would set up a regional office in one of the former territories with a large population base (either Texas or the Carolinas/Georgia), I would get local tv (paying for it if necessary, so as to get a good timeslot with good coverage). I would run the tv at first from a studio. I would sign all the good young talent I could afford like some ROH guys and X Division guys, starting with someone like Samoa Joe as the top guy (i.e. people who can work in the ring, but lack in promo-angle ability because they've never had the practice). I would send localised promos, old school style, to all the different markets - the premise being that I would set aside one day every week where the whole roster have to come in to do promos all day. I would hire good older talent on a consultancy basis to be agents and to tutor promo and psychology during these weekly promo sessions (and on the road). The tv show would be angle and interview heavy, and slowly the young talent would rise to the occasion, and understand heat, and get a little fire in their bellies in terms of working the storyline and their 'characters', as well as working off each other in their promos. And low and behold, hopefully things at that point should pick up......... at which point WWE would start running all our towns and kill business....
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