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Post by TheReferee on Apr 20, 2005 22:03:47 GMT -5
Ok I am wondering if it is just more or does it seem that the crowds today just do not cheer nearly as loud as they used to. Flair walks out now and the crowd Woooo's. Back in the day and I am talking about 85-88 the crowds would go crazy. They would be on their feet for nearly the entire show. Look at Clash Of The Champion 1. That crowd was all over the matches taking place that night. Maybe not the Jimmy Garvin and Mike Rotunda match but for the majority of the show they were. Listen to the pop that Sting got and listen to the fans of today. To me it is just not the same. The fans just don't seem to pop like they used to. If a legend walks out to a Raw then they pop, but not for the current superstars. Let me know what you all think.
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Post by gene05 on Apr 20, 2005 22:31:53 GMT -5
I remember going to Greenboro, Asheville and Charlotte in the late 70's and the reaction was the same. If flair, Mulligan, Steamboat were in the house we were on our feet the entire time. What an era.
geno05
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Post by bobbyryates on Apr 20, 2005 22:52:38 GMT -5
it's a diferent crowd. back then, there were real wrestling fans. now, it's kids and a fad. at least to me it is.
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Post by stompingground on Apr 21, 2005 6:15:54 GMT -5
Back then you had something to cheer for. I lived and died by Tully, Flair, and Garvin. I had been smartened up, but I took it seriously. When Flair lost the title to Dusty in '86, I pretty much stayed in my room for 2 weeks, because all of my friends would rag me when they saw me.
At the matches people really cared about the good guys and really hated the bad guys. These guys were more than just their favorite wrestlers they felt like family.
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Post by thevoice on Apr 21, 2005 8:46:49 GMT -5
Bobby hit the nail on the head, as well as Stomping Ground when he wrote " the people really cared about the good guys and hated the bad guys."
Yes, sadly, it's a lot different now.
The Voice
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Post by TheReferee on Apr 21, 2005 16:15:46 GMT -5
Once Vince uttered the words Sports Entertainment it all changed to me. I grew up on MACW and N.W.A. JCP. I loved when they came to Norfolk. Didn't get to go nearly as much as I wanted but I was a little guy and depended on my Dad to take me and he wasn't a big wrestling fan. However when I went man were the crowds insane. Now that the line between "Good" and "Bad" has been blurred it has all changed. Fans have nothing to cheer about. Pretty much I agree with everyone else.
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Post by WorldWideWilliam on Apr 21, 2005 17:15:05 GMT -5
I've also noticed that the majority of the fans cheer when a "name" wrestler comes out but not during the matches. It's like they wanna see their favorites but they could care less if their favorites actually get in the ring and wrestle, as long as they put in an appearance. I feel that this is largely due to the fact that there aren't really that many real wrestling fans out there anymore. They could care less about the action in the ring, but they live and die for the promos. When I was a kid, I went to the matches in Raleigh and Greensboro a lot, and I went nuts when my favorites got in the ring. I also went nuts for the action. Whenever Wahoo chopped the tar out of someone, I went crazy, when Flair strutted around, hollered "Now we go to school!" and wrapped his opponent in the figure four, I was all over the place! If it was Flair and Steamboat in the ring for an hour, I remember all the fans on their feet just about the whole time. But today, it seems like that magic is gone. Fans today don't want to be entertained by wrestling, they just want to hear someone's standup act. That's my opinion anyway, for what it's worth.
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Post by 10poundsofgold on Apr 22, 2005 23:27:25 GMT -5
The fact that Vince started the "Sports Entertainment" crap destroyed wrestling. Even as a youngster I realized that the action wasnt neccesarily legit, especially the outcomes, but that isnt what made me watch. To me it was the heart and soul that the guys put into it. Keeping up the kayfabe outside the ring only made it more "real". And now that the cat is out of the bag so to speak the mystery of how it all worked has been revealed. And for me it is ruined. I enjoy some of the interviews and such now, but the matches are all the same and most times are so outrageous that you cant believe. I think that is what made it great in the old days. The believablity and mystery.
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Post by acezappa on Apr 26, 2005 16:25:12 GMT -5
I do find myself watching the WWE these days, but it's only because it's the only wrestling I can find on TV. I agree with everyone: there's just no separation as to who is good and who is bad. They flip flop so often, it's ridiculous. The crowds are only interested in the spectacle of it all and hearing the junk talking. Instead of being about the wrestling it's all about the soap opera that just happens to be around a wrestling organization. Some of the wrestlers talk a good talk and have good abilities, but it's all about the flash and the spectacle. Most of the really big wrestlers on there I really don't like. And in fact, it bothers me to see some of the stuff they do and to know that there are soooo many kids watching. It's offensive really. But yet, I still watch it, only because it's all the wrestling I get to see any more. Back in the day, it was all about the sport, with the show aspect taking the backseat, and that was just fine with me. Of course, I would still pull for the bad guy on occasion (c'mon, the Four Horseman and Nikita Koloff were some of my fav's... even before Nikita turned face.) I wish there was a channel that showed the old matches and stuff (like ESPN classic or even the WWE 24/7, but strictly NWA and MACW stuff), but showed them 24/7. So, no, it's not just you. When I would see the matches live back in the day, the crowds were just excited the whole night, even for the lesser matches depending on the buzz of the headliner.
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Post by hmfiles on Apr 28, 2005 8:16:31 GMT -5
When Flair lost the title to Dusty in '86, I pretty much stayed in my room for 2 weeks, because all of my friends would rag me when they saw me. Yeah, but who had the last laugh? Tully destroyed Dusty's knee with a chair. Flair got the belt back in about a week. The Horsemen took Rhodes apart in that parking lot about a month later (and I'm sure that was replayed MANY times) Finally, Dusty's supposed to get revenge at Starrcade, but loses the first blood match AND never gets to take the title back from Tully. Tell your friends WHO'S BAD NOW? HUH? WHO'S BAD NOW? ... OK. Maybe I take it seriously too!  |
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Post by stompingground on Apr 28, 2005 10:40:40 GMT -5
Thanks. It did work out for the best. And come to think of it, Dusty's leg must have never healed quite right, because Tully kept working it over in Lenoir.
When the horsemen hurt you, you stay hurt.
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Post by ncjames on Jul 3, 2005 18:54:38 GMT -5
Of course they arent cheering or booing.....they are too busy on their damn cell phones and looking at the screens to wave like idiots to their friends at home. I swear to God, these people spend $40 for tickets to wave. Go stand in the road in front of your house and wave. THat way you will not intrude on my leisure time and there is always the possibility of you getting hit by a bread truck.
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Post by bobbyryates on Jul 3, 2005 20:09:57 GMT -5
there ya go, you're thinking like i'm thinking. they don't get into the wrestling, they get into the faddish hype.
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Post by phinney on Jul 3, 2005 21:39:26 GMT -5
I have the 8/16/86 www show on dvd. I tell you, after Magnum tied the best of 7 up, 3 to 3, the place exploded. It is still the biggest pop I have heard. Those southern arenas were really something when it came to cheers.
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Post by RowdyRoddy on Jul 5, 2005 10:32:50 GMT -5
I am interested in a copy of that World Wide Wrestling 8/86 DVD with Magnum's win over Nikita. Would you be able to make me a copy, please?
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