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Post by Bradshaw0012 on Sept 24, 2006 10:09:54 GMT -5
Why was the piledriver made an automatic DQ, but the brain buster was legal?
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Post by sittingstill on Sept 25, 2006 14:29:23 GMT -5
Good point. Thinking about it I guess having more than one 'piledriver' (i.e. the banned hold that ALWAYS resulted in injury or pin) would kill the effectiveness of having that move booked that way. It IS a flaw in psychology, as I could easily imagine the brainbuster as being the more dangerous of the two moves in 'real-life'....
I'm not entirely sure of the 'etymology' of the moves, but I'm guessing that the brainbuster comes from the need to make a vertical suplex look more devastating in a time where finishers were migrating in the direction of special / flashy / devasting / distinctive looking holds as opposed to guys just having standard wrestling holds as finishers, but by this time piledriver was already well over as the uber-dangerous 'banned' move, so I guess there was no need to water that down....
Funnily, you've actually got me to thinking that this kind of thing might be the beginning of what we have today were wrestlers don't sell moves as much, and fans don't buy them. The piledriver was deadly. The brainbuster was deadly. The spinning-toe hold was a finisher. If you were in the figure-4 you had to quit or get to the ropes IMMEDIATELY or suffer a broken leg. But how many times in territory days did we see bookers go to the well once too often to get heat (specifically in the 80's), or get fire/sympathy on a babyface. You had multiple piledrivers and brainbusters on the floor. Jimmy Garvin holding on in the figure-4 for 5 minutes despite the fact his leg was already injured, plus it didn't mean his career was over, or he was out for six months. Sure fans reacted to these things at the time - but the NEXT time it happened how much heat was lost when people could think ''well I've seen a guy last five minutes in that hold before''. And then powerbombs & DDTs were popularized (and then later all the crazy Puro suplexes with people landing on their heads). When you watch every week and see people get DDT'd and Powerbombed, and it's put in the context of being a 'strategic finishing move', and you see them next week or even later in the show then the moves become devalued. So then people subconciously think ''the moves and holds that make up the bulk of the match before the finisher likely are inconsequential to what will eventually happen''....and so things had to get more and more extreme....
Just a thought....
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Post by Bradshaw0012 on Sept 25, 2006 15:43:44 GMT -5
When posting this, I had an essay written out, but condensed it into the single question. But all of your points captrued my thoughts exactly on the issue.
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Post by bobbyryates on Sept 25, 2006 21:01:11 GMT -5
man...you boys are scary....  ;D |
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Post by Bradshaw0012 on Sept 25, 2006 21:27:27 GMT -5
Bobby?!?!?! When did you wake up?
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Post by bobbyryates on Sept 25, 2006 22:20:51 GMT -5
i been here. somewhere....
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Post by bobbyryates on Sept 25, 2006 22:21:33 GMT -5
a few minutes ago...like always.
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Post by sittingstill on Sept 26, 2006 16:38:02 GMT -5
man...you boys are scary.... ;D Hey NC Red - whaddyamean?  !!! |
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Post by bobbyryates on Sept 26, 2006 16:48:48 GMT -5
you saying what bradshaw was thinking....great minds do think alike, don't they?
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Post by gwlee7 on Sept 29, 2006 19:23:13 GMT -5
I don't think the brainbuster was always legal either. When Killer Karl Kox came through the territory I believe he had to use the brainbuster on the sly since he had "killed" a man with it one time.
That, I think, is what made moves like these so cool back in this time frame. The hold being "illegal" gave it so much heat when it was used (the referee can't see everything you know). These holds would get an even bigger pop when some one like Weaver would give Rip Hawk a taste of his own medicine and deliver a piledriver behind the ref's back.
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Post by RowdyRoddy on Oct 2, 2006 19:30:01 GMT -5
I like the phrase "no holds barred!"
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