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Post by sittingstill on Jul 30, 2006 19:30:24 GMT -5
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Post by bobbyryates on Jul 30, 2006 20:33:24 GMT -5
yep. i have to agree.
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Post by natureboy14 on Jul 30, 2006 21:13:48 GMT -5
i also agree, coincidentally the local group in my area is getting ready to have a light tube match like in the video,
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Post by The Hammer on Jul 30, 2006 21:17:40 GMT -5
That is beyond words.
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Post by brunogod on Jul 30, 2006 21:19:08 GMT -5
There is a reason that they call that 'garbage'wrestling! That they even put the word wrestling on their marquee is pathetic! No skill in doing that CZW poo poo!
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Post by ssteward on Jul 31, 2006 0:09:32 GMT -5
garbage crap, but I was pretty amazed at the clip of the dude with the spikes hanging in his back at the 2:06 mark in the video
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Post by dogthuhoops2k on Jul 31, 2006 13:30:27 GMT -5
If you have ever tried to sell sponsorships to a wrestling card, not just tatoo parlors and motorcycle clubs (not that there is anything wrong with that, but trying to expand the audience beyond that), but real everyday businesses in the community, to work with local kids oriented charities and clubs, THIS along with the sleaze of the WWE, is what you have to overcome.
This is the crap that gets on 20/20, 60Minutes, and your local tv news sweeps pieces.
You dont see the heartwarming Fanfest stories where guys from yesteryear can embrace the fans that grew up watching them. You dont see the stories of how local indy promoters such as Shawn Williams, of the CWA, every year does a Toys for Tots show in December and gives seats away to local kids who might not afford them or Louis Moore, with NCWA, working with Ivan Koloff on a show that benefits the Children's Miracle Network. There are plenty of other local promoters that I know I am leaving out, that have worked tirelessly to put on shows where the community or a special project was benefitted by it. You don't see George South get a lot of press, doing church shows and giving away toys to needy families at shows. Bobby Yates puts on a show in Asheboro, it got some decent newspaper coverage, but these small victories get totally washed away by trash like CZW in the eyes of the general public and potiential sponsorships.
Over the last year, I have received many emails from guys like you see on CZW looking for bookings. Trained by someone you've never heard of who's best gimmick or talent is that he knows how to bleed. This totally screws professional wrestling and quite frankly offends me personally.
Any idiot can bash a chair over someone's head. Heck, doesnt take much talent to get into a bar fight and if you are stupid enough you can even fall off a 20something foot cage and crash thru a table...but what does it prove? You've got an IQ lower than most apes?
I look around and I see so much potential for professional wrestling. Kids flock to guys colorful characters like Kamikazi Kid and Ultra Dragon, those two guys can reach and audience just on presence alone. A good guy like Ric Converse, who along with the AWA and CWF MidAtlantic, has a chance to really build something around his AWA World title, walks into a room and people know he's there just on his presence alone, not to mention the fact he goes out of his way to sign autographs for kids. A guy like Jake Manning, who has mastered his heel role and has worked his butt off over the last year or so establishing himself. Even as a heel, even when fans get a bit offensive, he doesnt take the low road and comports himself like a true professional. You can add Joey Silvia to that list as well. Joey gets called all kinds of crap, but I havent seen him (maybe I've just been lucky) take the low road with fans. In the times I've seen him, he'll find something clever without having to resort to vulgarity. Bobby Houston, Chris Guerrero, Johnny Lightning, Louis Moore, KC McKnight, Shamus Maloney, Ali Steele, Brady Hawk, The Radical, Caprice Coleman, Ace Crusader, George South, Jr, Jason Jones, Chris Nelson, Neil Sharkey, Phil Brown, Pat Cusick, and probably a hundred more I am missing here know how to get over as a professional wrestler without resorting to something that would offend your mother.
When I see crap like CZW being sold at Suncoast, Fye, and other places it makes people think "that" is what wrestling is. And if you watch the fans in attendence they were eating it up, that that makes me really sad. It's not only an insult to my personal senses but I think it's an insult to every wrestler I mentioned above, their hard work and efforts, the promoters who have busted their humps to put quality shows for the public, and the wrestling fans who have supported the MidAtlantic style of wrestling over the years.
Sorry but I had to vent.
Dogs
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Post by sittingstill on Jul 31, 2006 13:58:20 GMT -5
garbage crap, but I was pretty amazed at the clip of the dude with the spikes hanging in his back at the 2:06 mark in the video That would be the infamous John Zandig. That's an 'angle' from 2003 when a bunch of heels stuck meathooks in his back and hung him up in the roof of the ECW Arena I actually once sat through a four-hour comp of this stuff that a friend gave me, just to see what it was about. Sadly, there is some stuff which is noticeably worse than anything in that clip.... The real sad thing is: when you watch this stuff its pretty clear they spend more money on thumbtacks, barbed-wire & DRUGS than they gross in ticket receipts. Being drugged-up to the eyeballs is the only way you can hape the flesh ripped off your elbow so that bones and tendons are exposed, yet still take bumps through tables, glass & thumbtacks for 15 mins, which is something I've seen happen.... Dogthuhoops2K - non need to apologize, you're absolutely right.... |
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Post by bobbyryates on Jul 31, 2006 17:58:41 GMT -5
dogs, you are absolutely correct. i get defensive about anything that is not good for wrestling. and this is a very good example of what offends me as well.
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Post by ozzsmith on Aug 1, 2006 16:23:07 GMT -5
well i must say that the hardcore brand of wrestling portrayed in this video was awesome to me. i dig the violence and the fact these workers are performing dangerous stunts for me and risk of their health. for heavens sake it's entertainment. this ain't killing wrestling, VKM did that years ago. this is for people with a different taste in wrestling. i enjoy new jack, and supreme bleeding and taking sick bumps for my amusement. in this day and age violence is everywhere and the sport of wrestling is staying with the times. vince bought back ecw for the "violence" factor so there must be more than a few who dig it. old school has it's place but even old school got hardcore with chain matches, cage matches, bullrope matches, scaffold matches, dog collar matches, lumberjack matches, coal miners glove match..etc .
it aint for everbody. i frown on matches with 5 minute headlocks and 20 minutes to remove one's ring attire..that some may call ring physcoligy, but i call it a load of crap. get in the ring and impress me with moves..not one or two but at least suspend my belief that it's fake. these guys in the video certainly suspend my belief so they are doing their job to me.
i'm sure i'll catch heat over this but i am a hardcore heel at heart. ;D
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Post by bobbyryates on Aug 1, 2006 16:42:29 GMT -5
i'm not gonna give you heat for an opinion i don't agree with. i'm sure you disagree with me alot of times. we have our own tastes, that's fer sure. i'm one that can stomach a ten minute headlock on the mat, you are not. to me, it is psychology, maybe not to you.
we just look at the same thing differerntly. no problems there, pal.
BRY
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Post by ozzsmith on Aug 1, 2006 16:52:09 GMT -5
it's like going to a movie, some like horror, some like romance or comedys. different strokes make the world go around or something like that. ;D
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Post by ssteward on Aug 1, 2006 17:21:29 GMT -5
I liked ECW and FMW, but that's about as extreme as I'll get. Give me a Memphis style garbage brawl and I'm just fine. Despite being a haven for "garbage" wrestling, I liked FMW because the performers were talented at what they did, and the stunts were worked into the match, the match wasn't worked into the stunts.
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Post by ozzsmith on Aug 1, 2006 17:37:23 GMT -5
must agree with ssteward. fmw was probably the best "garbage" wrestling there was.
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Post by The Hammer on Aug 1, 2006 18:13:56 GMT -5
CZW is CRAP. Total CRAP. No one should be subjected (dvd or live) to that CRAP. The guys doing that CRAP should be driven out of this business that I love and they are killing.
And I want to add this, Dogthuhoops2K you are my new hero.
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