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Post by bobbyryates on Jul 31, 2006 18:02:45 GMT -5
about ole anderson...he may have only wrestled in the MACW and Georgia areas primarily, but he also spent the early part of his career in omaha, the AWA, and florida.
do we just have in the ring as cirteria to this or a HoF question??? i don't think so. look at what all ole did behind the scenes. that alone is praise like crazy.
ole anderson deserves to be in ANY HoF to me.
call me bias.
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Post by GarvinStomp on Jul 31, 2006 18:32:03 GMT -5
umm..... if you look at my previous post, I listed a whole host of criteria. Not just in-ring performance.
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Post by The Hammer on Jul 31, 2006 19:08:34 GMT -5
about ole anderson...he may have only wrestled in the MACW and Georgia areas primarily, but he also spent the early part of his career in omaha, the AWA, and florida. do we just have in the ring as cirteria to this or a HoF question??? i don't think so. look at what all ole did behind the scenes. that alone is praise like crazy. ole anderson deserves to be in ANY HoF to me. call me bias. Thats exactly what I am saying Bobby, The stuff I have read about Meltzer and the HOF was that he didn't think Ole and Gene deserved the HOF (not the WWE but some other HOF) because of they had infact spent almost their whole career in one part of the country. Thus my argument about Bruno, everyone praises him and they all think he deserves this and that, (and I am not saying that he doesn't deserve the recognition he gets), but thats the same deal as the Andersons. Mainly one area. Whats the difference. Is it because Meltzer doesn't like Ole? To me Ole had more of an impact on the business than Bruno. But I too am biased. |
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Post by bobbyryates on Jul 31, 2006 19:28:09 GMT -5
glad you explaind, i think i took you wrong the first time.
yep, ole done tons more than many.
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Post by barry on Jul 31, 2006 19:53:01 GMT -5
Some that I think are legends:
Rip Hawk
Penny Banner
George Becker
Blackjack Mulligan
Bob Caudle
Johnny Weaver
Among a lot of others
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Post by GarvinStomp on Jul 31, 2006 20:24:40 GMT -5
It seems like you have to put announcers and commentators in separate category. Obviously, Bob Caudle and Gordon Solie never got in the ring and mixed it up with anybody, but they are legends. Announcers probably should be judged on "legend" status based on such things as years spent announcing, how loved they were by the fans, etc. A lot of it is subjective, but I think it would be safe to say that guys such as SOlie, Caudle, Jim Ross, etc. could be considered legends, but someone like Tony Schiavone we wouldn't really care if he stuck his head in the toilet.
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Post by brunogod on Jul 31, 2006 20:49:54 GMT -5
Regardless of BRUNO wrestling in mainly one area,this man drew sellout after sellout! The fans,regardless of how you wanna portray them,came in droves to see their"hero" vanquish the "evil doers" of the day! In the kayfabe era of wrestling-not sports entertainment-BRUNO was indeed a legend<and that was what this thread was about ,right?!Just watch some of his matches from MSG and ,especially against the likes of SBG/Kowalski,Arion .Larry Z,etc. and the real heat he drew was absolutely amazing! Very few in his day could do that! He was a hero to the fans and played the part perfectly!
With all that being said,looking back on some old Mid-Atlantic footage,for example,the crowd heat for some of the matches back in the day(Mulligan vs Superstar comes to mind) was also crazy!
we like to throw the word legend around but it doesn't really apply to just anyone!
BRUNO earned his title of the living legend of professional wrestling and whether ya like it or not,that's what he was and still is!
Granted ,there are others that could be deserving of that title but they are far and few between!
But as with anything,these are just our opinions and should be taken with a grain of salt!
So if I do see one more bad thing written here about BRUNO...I will be forced to "squash all of you like a grape"
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Post by bobbyryates on Jul 31, 2006 21:03:18 GMT -5
umm..... if you look at my previous post, I listed a whole host of criteria. Not just in-ring performance. sorry about that. i was referring to Hammer's next to last post, i didn't realize what he was actually saying until he explained. i'm like you, so much more makes a person than their in ring performance. |
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Post by GarvinStomp on Jul 31, 2006 21:15:24 GMT -5
if it was just in ring performance, then why not scrap the "professional" wrestling style and opt for "amateur" style wrestling where the contest outcomes are not pre-determined. That way professional wrestling would become legitimate. Hey, then you could scrap costumes, personas, etc. No one would have to watch Hulk Hogan, Jim Duggan, John Cena, etc. After all most of these guys can't really wrestle. We could watch someone secure the one count for the victory and all matches end with a handshake and all participants wear olympic style wrestling gear.
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Post by jblcenafan on Jul 31, 2006 22:49:58 GMT -5
Is there a legit Hall Of Fame? I mean it all goes down to what you (the person running the Hallf Of Fame) want or who is willing to show up. They offered Backlund a few years back for WWE and he declined. Bret took alot of arm-twisting , Dusty turned it down to not be overshadowed by Hogan then the next year by Bret. I mean for crying out loud , they put the old Mcmahon limo driver in their Hall Of Fame. I don't see anything wrong with what Vince does because he has said for 20 years that it is sports entertainment. So you do get wrestling albums and Kamala bowling with a touch of Bret vs HBK here and Angle vs Beniot there but overall it is flash and sizzle. And even people like Terry Funk who got up last year and knocked Vince and his product go right back to cashing his checks.
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Post by superworker on Jul 31, 2006 23:03:15 GMT -5
Gotta throw my 2 cents worth in here too...as far as Ole goes...a true pro and legend..Ole was fun to be around in the dressing room..he spoke his mind and if he liked you, he liked you and if he didnt you would here from him and it would reflect on the booking sheet. There are some workers that often get overlooked IMO..the guys that a lot of fans call "jobbers". If it werent far some of these guys there would be no"stars". Just to name a couple..Bill White, George South, Mike Fever and etc..I had some of these "so called stars very first matches" and had to tell them what to do. Lex Luger immedately comes to mind. I had his very first match in Fla and had to "call" every move. Some "Total Package"..lol..Also had Sterling Goldens( aka now known as the Huckster) some of his very first matches. I guess what I'm trying to say is if there were no guys willing to lose and do a good job doing it , there would be no stars because of their huge egos. These guys NEED to be recognized as well. I think 17 yrs. in the biz speaks for its self for me.
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Post by bobbyryates on Jul 31, 2006 23:26:11 GMT -5
very good point superworker. even makes me think about posssible errors in what i have said already.
in my earlier post, i illustrated using barry horowitz as my example. i am in error. he may have made no "impact" in the world but did his job well is what i said. so did so many others of that level, including those you mentioned.
what i should have said was that given most of his time it was in the WWF, so really, making anyone with a gimmick look good, rarely happened there.
i grew up here in MACW. my favourite "jobbers" as you put it were guys like ron ritchie, steve muslin, frank monte, jim nelson, joel deaton, 'red dog' lane..some really good guys. i think they are way better than horowitz. yet not as recognizable.
making an "impact" maybe be one of the criteria for a legend, but not the main one as i apparently insinuated stated earlier. some of these guys did do thier jobs. but so many more did "make the star" as you put it so well.
my apologies if i offended anyone.
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Post by superworker on Jul 31, 2006 23:34:42 GMT -5
I'm not offended. Just trying to make a point that is often over looked. Another example of mine is when Sam Houston came to Fla and Dusty was booking, we were in the pre-show meeting and after that Dusty called me over and said " I want you to work with the "kid" meaning Sam. I didnt even know at that point he was Jakes brother or Grizzly Smith was his dad. Anyway, I did the match and called every spot and it turned out great. Dusty was happy, Sam was nervous but very happy and it was good for me to because I had done my job. Boy, I miss those kayfabe days. They were and are still the best!
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Post by ozzsmith on Aug 1, 2006 16:10:13 GMT -5
terry funk abdullah, jimmy valiant, ivan koloff. those are legends.
legends are larger than life to the fans. the above meet that criteria also many others to numerous to mention. superstar and SOH who post on this board are two of the mid-atlantics greatest legends.
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Post by bobbyryates on Aug 1, 2006 16:14:27 GMT -5
amen to that ozz.
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